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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>yeah !!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>still badly paid and little thanks for
it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rurick@usa.net href="mailto:rurick@usa.net">Roy Urick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=blueonyx@blueonyx.it
href="mailto:blueonyx@blueonyx.it">'BlueOnyx General Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:08
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [BlueOnyx:06923] Re: Disable
Strong Passwords</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">When
it comes to end users, babysitting is required unfortunately.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:blueonyx-bounces@blueonyx.it">blueonyx-bounces@blueonyx.it</A>
[mailto:blueonyx-bounces@blueonyx.it] <B>On Behalf Of </B>PM<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Thursday, April 07, 2011 9:37 AM<BR><B>To:</B> BlueOnyx General Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [BlueOnyx:06920] Re: Disable Strong
Passwords<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=NL>And there
again I can get by with short local place names. Secure??? I think
not</SPAN><SPAN lang=NL><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=NL>Wondering
who decided this???</SPAN><SPAN lang=NL><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=NL>This
type of 'baby sitting' is creeping into BO more and more under the banner of
'security'</SPAN><SPAN lang=NL><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=NL> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=NL>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=NL> <A
title=lists@hqmatics.nl href="mailto:lists@hqmatics.nl">Tjerk Hacquebord</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=NL>To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=NL> <A
title=blueonyx@blueonyx.it href="mailto:blueonyx@blueonyx.it">'BlueOnyx
General Mailing List'</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=NL>Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=NL>
Thursday, April 07, 2011 2:12 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=NL>Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=NL>
[BlueOnyx:06919] Re: Disable Strong Passwords<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">That’s
exactly my problem with this implementation of the password
check.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If
only somewhere in the password there is a part of a dictionary word it will
deny the password while this password could be very very
safe.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Not
the first topic about it..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><A name=_MailEndCompose></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=NL>Van:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=NL> <A
href="mailto:blueonyx-bounces@blueonyx.it">blueonyx-bounces@blueonyx.it</A>
[mailto:blueonyx-bounces@blueonyx.it] <B>Namens </B>Chris
Comley<BR><B>Verzonden:</B> donderdag 7 april 2011 14:56<BR><B>Aan:</B>
'BlueOnyx General Mailing List'<BR><B>Onderwerp:</B> [BlueOnyx:06918] Re:
Disable Strong Passwords<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=NL><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-GB>Pisses me off when I base a password *<B>around</B>* a word (to
make it easier to remember than plain garbage) and it *<B>insists</B>* it’s
a dictionary based word. I mean something like “Fred&44Bloggs!+” which,
face it, you’re never going to guess, and it’s never going to be found by a
dictionary attack. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
blueonyx-bounces@blueonyx.it [mailto:blueonyx-bounces@blueonyx.it] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Doug Harvey<BR><B>Sent:</B> 07 April 2011 13:35<BR><B>To:</B>
BlueOnyx General Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [BlueOnyx:06917] Re:
Disable Strong Passwords<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>I like the
strong passwords. I just have one complaint. If I enter a password:
jj%123456&abcdef or something similar, the system will reject it calling
it a weak password. If I enter something like: K12345, then the system
will call it a strong password.<BR><BR>Doug<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Ken -
Precision Web Hosting, Inc <<A
href="mailto:kenlists@precisionweb.net">kenlists@precisionweb.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><BR>-----
Original Message -----<BR>From: "User Ernie" <<A
href="mailto:ernie@info.eis.net.au">ernie@info.eis.net.au</A>><BR>To:
<<A
href="mailto:blueonyx@blueonyx.it">blueonyx@blueonyx.it</A>><BR>Sent:
Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:34 PM<BR>Subject: [BlueOnyx:06914] Re: Disable
Strong Passwords<BR><BR><BR>> There is nothing wrong with the system
suggesting if a password is strong<BR>> or<BR>> weak in the
programmers opinion, however a site administrator should<BR>> still be
able to set what password they want. If a person can't remeber
a<BR>> password because it's too hard, then they will either set it to
auto<BR>> entry,<BR>> or write it down on a postit note or something
equally insecure.<BR>><BR>> BlueOnyx already locks out dictionary and
other brute force attacks quite<BR>> well.<BR>><BR>><BR>> -
Ernie.<BR>><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>It's really a pain to have to get
yourself off of blacklists because of<BR>user=sales password=sales.
Then the servers spams all night and you see it<BR>in the
morning.<BR><BR>Email software already remembers the passwords. Even the
webmail can be set<BR>to remember.<BR><BR>>>brute force attacks<BR>If
the password is too easy, then it takes so few tries to guess it,
that<BR>they are not blocked. I've had that happen multiple
times.<BR><BR>----<BR>Ken M<BR>Precision Web Hosting, Inc.<BR><A
href="http://www.precisionweb.net"
target=_blank>http://www.precisionweb.net</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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