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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you have 100 servers with an average <b>light</b> load of, say, 100 sites at $10/site that’s $1000/server/month or $100,000/month. Say data center costs and salaries are $20K/month. Let’s see if I swag at the £ to $ translation, say $8000 for a well maintained php package is 10% of ONE month’s take after base expenses. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t know for sure, but I think solarspeed’s packages include updates (or used to – I think a subscription model makes more sense for everyone) perpetually. If so, this is a great deal – for 10% of one month’s after base cost you get a well built package with great support.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now, if for some reason you might not like solarspeed’s packages there is always Compass or the other vendors. I’ve worked with Compass on some projects and deeply trust Greg’s integrity, support and response. Also Michael. If you are looking for VALUE either is very good. If you are just looking for cheap, they are surprisingly economical in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think it is important to support the core team of BX. I do so with product purchases and by contributing where I’m able. Though I see my input as a pitiful shadow of what I wish it were… BX is really good with much more potential. I would hate for it to fade for a “penny wise and pound foolish” perspective.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OK – I’ll stop my rant now. Guess my buttons got pushed… Definitely <b>not</b> a personal response Alex.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> -Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> blueonyx-bounces@mail.blueonyx.it [mailto:blueonyx-bounces@mail.blueonyx.it] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alex Jake<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2011 5:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it<br><b>Subject:</b> [BlueOnyx:07876] Re: 5107R progress with PKG providers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Thanks for your reply,<br><br>I agree with where your coming from, I agree package builders need to make a living, everyone does,<br>but where I personally don't agree is say for example solarspeed.net charges £52.36 for PHP 5.3.6 per<br>server, if someone has 100 server's running BO that's £5,236.00, I've tried in a couple occations to email<br>solarspeed and they never seem to respond to my emails, no discount is offered in their shopping cart for<br>multiple purchases.<br><br>Quote: "All PKGs are licensed per server. So for each server you want to run it on you need to buy a copy.<br>However, we do offer discounts and bulk deals.", really? not when I went to the shopping cart it isn't. I<br>couldn't even find anything as to say how much discount is available on multiple purchases.<br><br>Regards,<br>Alex.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:12:01 -0500<br>> From: cobaltfacts@virtbiz.com<br>> To: blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it<br>> Subject: [BlueOnyx:07873] Re: 5107R progress with PKG providers<br>> <br>> Hi Alex,<br>> <br>> Alex Jake wrote:<br>> > Hi,<br>> > <br>> > I just want to jump in here, hope that's ok.<br>> > <br>> > Why rebuild packages such as PHP, MySQL and PHPMyAdmin,<br>> > why not just use the packages that come from CentOS themselfs?<br>> > <br>> > Surely their is nothing wrong with their packages?<br>> <br>> No, nothing is "wrong" with their packages. However, there are a couple <br>> of issues with this.<br>> <br>> > Or is it important for some people to have bleeding edge packages?<br>> <br>> Well, that is one issue, but I think "bleeding edge" is hardly accurate <br>> for our purposes. For instance, consider that 5106R (BlueOnyx on Centos <br>> 5), if you want to take PHP directly from CentOS, you will be stuck at <br>> 5.1.6. Keep in mind that the Enterprise Linux model is to stick with a <br>> version and keep it patched, but not add functionality. Anybody that <br>> wants to install a modern version of, well, just about anything, but <br>> especially things like Joomla and WordPress, will note that 5.1.6 will <br>> not cut it.<br>> <br>> Most modern applications are requiring at least PHP 4.2.x and many are <br>> making the jump to 5.3.x.<br>> <br>> Now you may wonder about just compiling in a new version of PHP. Sure, <br>> that can be done. But you must do it carefully so as to separate the <br>> versions of PHP between Apache and AdmSrv. Otherwise you will instantly <br>> break the BlueOnyx GUI.<br>> <br>> You may also note that CentOS has released PHP 5.3 in the repos, which <br>> can be YUM installed. However, if you do this, you will break your <br>> BlueOnyx box.<br>> <br>> So can a "manual" update of PHP be done? Certainly. But of course it <br>> will take time, and you run the risk of breaking the system. On the <br>> other hand, for a few Dollars (or Euros, or...) you can just pick up a <br>> PKG that will "just work" and save yourself time and headache.<br>> <br>> So as you see, it's valuable for vendors to make update PKGs like this <br>> available.<br>> <br>> > Bleeding edge is not always the best, stable is important.<br>> <br>> That's the very foundation upon which Enterprise Linux is built. And I <br>> appreciate that.<br>> <br>> However, sometimes Enterprise Linux (which recall is controlled by the <br>> upstream provider wearing the big red hat) tends to drag its feet while <br>> the rest of the world marches on.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Chris Gebhardt<br>> VIRTBIZ Internet Services<br>> Access, Web Hosting, Colocation, Dedicated<br>> www.virtbiz.com | toll-free (866) 4 VIRTBIZ<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Blueonyx mailing list<br>> Blueonyx@mail.blueonyx.it<br>> http://mail.blueonyx.it/mailman/listinfo/blueonyx<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>