[BlueOnyx:06588] Re: Trouble in the CentOS camp

Sat Feb 26 18:11:33 -05 2011

I have never really used Fedora for hosting, mainly CentOS or Ubuntu Server (LTS) for
Linux, I only mentioned Fedora because BlueQuartz started on Redhat and moved to
Fedora before CentOS. The CentOS community is very restless because the 6.0
has so far taken way longer than prevous releases so they want to know why.
Prior releases took 4-6 weeks, this one is several months and still counting.

It looks like the CentOS 5.6 update might be our before 6.0.

- Ernie.

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> Hi Ernie,
> 
> > Originally BlueQuartz was written for Fedora, I think it was I that
> > suggested to the list to port it to CentOS many years ago, now we are
> > locked in.  How hard would it be to go back to Fedora as a base for
> > BlueOnyx if it hits the fan in the CentOS camp?
> 
> I agree with anyone else that FC would be a very bad choice. It is a desktop 
> OS and has a very short life cycle. So it is not really suiteable for usage on 
> as a server OS for the kind of box that we try to deliver with BlueOnyx.
> 
> But yeah: BlueOnyx is modular and flexible enough that it can be ported to 
> different Linux distributions. If that distribution is RPM based, things are 
> even easier. If it uses different kinds of package management (see Debian for 
> example), then things get more complicated and more effort is needed for the 
> porting. But it's still possible. Keep me warm and fed and I'll do it in two 
> to three months.
> 
> I think what we're seeing now over at the CentOS list is just the usual storm 
> in the water glass. Impatient people are rippling the pond and want CentOS6 
> available like "right now" and accuse the developers of failing, because they 
> haven't delivered yet. Doesn't that happen like every time a major release is 
> in the works? It gets kind of old.
> 
> To be honest: I'm glad it's not out yet, because I currently wouldn't have the 
> time at hand to immediately jump at it and finish porting BlueOnyx to CentOS6. 
> The current tentative release timeline of March/April suits me much better. 
> :o)
> 
> If all fails and CentOS really dies (which I don't think will happen anywhere 
> in the close future), then we'll go through our options and will pick a 
> different platform for BlueOnyx. Probably it'll be a fork of CentOS, because I 
> think the CentOS project has reached a point where it is too big to fail. One 
> group of other will pick up the pieces and will fork it. But ultimately our 
> choice will then be based on what's available at that time and what is most 
> suiteable for the task at hand.
> 
> -- 
> With best regards
> 
> Michael Stauber
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> ht:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I agree wit=
> h anyone else that FC would be a very bad choice. It is a desktop OS and ha=
> s a very short life cycle. So it is not really suiteable for usage on as a =
> server OS for the kind of box that we try to deliver with BlueOnyx.</p>
> <p style=3D"-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; ma=
> rgin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-u=
> ser-state:0;"></p>
> <p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-rig=
> ht:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But yeah: B=
> lueOnyx is modular and flexible enough that it can be ported to different L=
> inux distributions. If that distribution is RPM based, things are even easi=
> er. If it uses different kinds of package management (see Debian for exampl=
> e), then things get more complicated and more effort is needed for the port=
> ing. But it's still possible. Keep me warm and fed and I'll do it in two to=
>  three months.</p>
> <p style=3D"-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; ma=
> rgin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-u=
> ser-state:0;"></p>
> <p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-rig=
> ht:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think wha=
> t we're seeing now over at the CentOS list is just the usual storm in the w=
> ater glass. Impatient people are rippling the pond and want CentOS6 availab=
> le like "right now" and accuse the developers of failing, because=
>  they haven't delivered yet. Doesn't that happen like every time a major re=
> lease is in the works? It gets kind of old.</p>
> <p style=3D"-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; ma=
> rgin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-u=
> ser-state:0;"></p>
> <p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-rig=
> ht:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">To be hones=
> t: I'm glad it's not out yet, because I currently wouldn't have the time at=
>  hand to immediately jump at it and finish porting BlueOnyx to CentOS6. The=
>  current tentative release timeline of March/April suits me much better. :o=
> )</p>
> <p style=3D"-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; ma=
> rgin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-u=
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> <p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-rig=
> ht:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If all fail=
> s and CentOS really dies (which I don't think will happen anywhere in the c=
> lose future), then we'll go through our options and will pick a different p=
> latform for BlueOnyx. Probably it'll be a fork of CentOS, because I think t=
> he CentOS project has reached a point where it is too big to fail. One grou=
> p of other will pick up the pieces and will fork it. But ultimately our cho=
> ice will then be based on what's available at that time and what is most su=
> iteable for the task at hand.</p>
> <p style=3D"-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; ma=
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> ht:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">With best r=
> egards</p>
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> ht:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Michael Sta=
> uber</p>
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