[BlueOnyx:07879] Re: 5107R progress with PKG providers

[Stephanie Sullivan]

If you have 100 servers with an average light load of, say, 100 sites at
$10/site that’s $1000/server/month or $100,000/month. Say data center costs
and salaries are $20K/month. Let’s see if I swag at the £ to $ translation,
say $8000 for a well maintained php package is 10% of ONE month’s take after
base expenses. 

 

I don’t know for sure, but I think solarspeed’s packages include updates (or
used to – I think a subscription model makes more sense for everyone)
perpetually. If so, this is a great deal – for 10% of one month’s after base
cost you get a well built package with great support.

 

Now, if for some reason you might not like solarspeed’s packages there is
always Compass or the other vendors. I’ve worked with Compass on some
projects and deeply trust Greg’s integrity, support and response. Also
Michael. If you are looking for VALUE either is very good. If you are just
looking for cheap, they are surprisingly economical in my opinion.

 

I think it is important to support the core team of BX. I do so with product
purchases and by contributing where I’m able. Though I see my input as a
pitiful shadow of what I wish it were
 BX is really good with much more
potential. I would hate for it to fade for a “penny wise and pound foolish”
perspective.

 

OK – I’ll stop my rant now. Guess my buttons got pushed
 Definitely not a
personal response Alex.

 

                Thanks,

                                -Stephanie

 

 

From: blueonyx-bounces at mail.blueonyx.it
[mailto:blueonyx-bounces at mail.blueonyx.it] On Behalf Of Alex Jake
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 5:53 PM
To: blueonyx at mail.blueonyx.it
Subject: [BlueOnyx:07876] Re: 5107R progress with PKG providers

 

Thanks for your reply,

I agree with where your coming from, I agree package builders need to make a
living, everyone does,
but where I personally don't agree is say for example solarspeed.net charges
£52.36 for PHP 5.3.6 per
server, if someone has 100 server's running BO that's £5,236.00, I've tried
in a couple occations to email
solarspeed and they never seem to respond to my emails, no discount is
offered in their shopping cart for
multiple purchases.

Quote: "All PKGs are licensed per server. So for each server you want to run
it on you need to buy a copy.
However, we do offer discounts and bulk deals.", really? not when I went to
the shopping cart it isn't. I
couldn't even find anything as to say how much discount is available on
multiple purchases.

Regards,
Alex.

> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:12:01 -0500
> From: cobaltfacts at virtbiz.com
> To: blueonyx at mail.blueonyx.it
> Subject: [BlueOnyx:07873] Re: 5107R progress with PKG providers
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> Alex Jake wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I just want to jump in here, hope that's ok.
> > 
> > Why rebuild packages such as PHP, MySQL and PHPMyAdmin,
> > why not just use the packages that come from CentOS themselfs?
> > 
> > Surely their is nothing wrong with their packages?
> 
> No, nothing is "wrong" with their packages. However, there are a couple 
> of issues with this.
> 
> > Or is it important for some people to have bleeding edge packages?
> 
> Well, that is one issue, but I think "bleeding edge" is hardly accurate 
> for our purposes. For instance, consider that 5106R (BlueOnyx on Centos 
> 5), if you want to take PHP directly from CentOS, you will be stuck at 
> 5.1.6. Keep in mind that the Enterprise Linux model is to stick with a 
> version and keep it patched, but not add functionality. Anybody that 
> wants to install a modern version of, well, just about anything, but 
> especially things like Joomla and WordPress, will note that 5.1.6 will 
> not cut it.
> 
> Most modern applications are requiring at least PHP 4.2.x and many are 
> making the jump to 5.3.x.
> 
> Now you may wonder about just compiling in a new version of PHP. Sure, 
> that can be done. But you must do it carefully so as to separate the 
> versions of PHP between Apache and AdmSrv. Otherwise you will instantly 
> break the BlueOnyx GUI.
> 
> You may also note that CentOS has released PHP 5.3 in the repos, which 
> can be YUM installed. However, if you do this, you will break your 
> BlueOnyx box.
> 
> So can a "manual" update of PHP be done? Certainly. But of course it 
> will take time, and you run the risk of breaking the system. On the 
> other hand, for a few Dollars (or Euros, or...) you can just pick up a 
> PKG that will "just work" and save yourself time and headache.
> 
> So as you see, it's valuable for vendors to make update PKGs like this 
> available.
> 
> > Bleeding edge is not always the best, stable is important.
> 
> That's the very foundation upon which Enterprise Linux is built. And I 
> appreciate that.
> 
> However, sometimes Enterprise Linux (which recall is controlled by the 
> upstream provider wearing the big red hat) tends to drag its feet while 
> the rest of the world marches on.
> 
> 
> 
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